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British · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:04 am Post subject:

Chris,

Sorry been away skiing for a week.
BTW our chairman never went to Uni.
When you refer to Trininty do you mean the the Hall or the college (there is a diff)
Cambridge does not have rhodes scholars.

dysan1 · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject:

R900m national subsidy sought for Dube

March 22, 2006

By Samantha Enslin and Neesa Moodley

Durban - The KwaZulu-Natal government is hoping the national government will contribute half of the R1.8 billion it has earmarked for the Dube Tradeport, which includes the new King Shaka International Airport, arguing that the development should be regarded as a key national project.

John Aulsebrook, a member of the KwaZulu-Natal parliament, said on Monday: "We are arguing that national government should treat the Dube Tradeport as a key national project like the Gautrain and the Port of Ngqura in the Coega industrial development zone. An airport is a national competence."

The Dube Tradeport will be built at La Mercy, 30km north of Durban. Once it is completed, the current Durban International Airport will be decommissioned.

Zweli Mkhize, KwaZulu-Natal's MEC for finance and economic development, said last week that the provincial government had approved a budget of R1.8 billion for the Dube Tradeport and King Shaka International Airport, which would be allocated over the next three years.

Auslebrook said: "The R1.8 billion is a very large slice out of the provincial budget, which means another area would have to be sacrificed. We would like to have 50 percent of the cost of the Dube Tradeport funded by national government."

A spokesperson for the national treasury said: "A decision of this nature would be considered and approved by cabinet … Some requests do go to the budget council."

A project requesting national government funding would need to be assessed on whether it fitted into the country's long-term development plan, the spokesperson said.

The R20 billion Gautrain rapid rail project, which is being developed as a public-private partnership, will receive R7.1 billion from the national government.

The Port of Ngqura, which is so far estimated to cost R4.5 billion, is being funded by the National Ports Authority, a Transnet subsidiary. The Eastern Cape government has put R1.5 billion into the industrial development zone at Coega over three years.

Auslebrook said: "The Dube Tradeport will not only stimulate the local economy but … the national economy."

According to research commissioned by the Dube Tradeport company, in a base case scenario the development of the Dube Tradeport would create 164 838 sustainable jobs, contribute R12.3 billion to gross domestic product, represent a direct fixed investment of R4 billion and increase government tax revenue by R2.2 billion.

In Cape Town last week, Aulsebrook presented the proposal to parliament's committee on finance, which was discussing the division of revenue bill. There he was told by national treasury officials that the provincial treasury would need to make a submission to the budget council, which assesses allocations for the national budget.

"This is not an issue the select committee on finance could deal with; it must be dealt with by the budget council. We have missed the boat for this year," Aulsebrook said.

dysan1 · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject:

Four applications received for airport construction

March 22, 2006

By Neesa Moodley

Durban - The Dube Tradeport had received four applications for a contract to design and construct King Shaka International Airport and the preferred bidder would be announced by the end of September, Zweli Mkhize, KwaZulu-Natal's MEC for finance and economic development, said on Friday.

The four consortiums that had successfully applied were Prop 5; Siyakhuphuka, which includes Basil Read; Ilembe, including Group Five; and Isando, including Grinaker LTA.

Mkhize, who was speaking at the inaugural Board of Airline Representatives of SA conference at Zimbali Lodge, said: "We are very serious about ensuring that consortiums participating in the ****** procurement of the project are capable of delivering the project in the time frames we have set … and technically sound to ensure that the runway and terminal are designed to ensure minimising life cycle and operational costs."

By the end of the month, two of the four consortiums will be selected to participate in the procurement process.

Mkhize said the selected consortiums would be issued with a detailed request for proposals by the end of April and would have a further four months to put forward a preliminary design, a detailed costing report and a financial proposal within the fixed cost that would be declared.

He said the initial opening capacity of the airport in 2009 would cater for capacity required in 2015. The development would include a 6 million capacity passenger terminal, a 100 000 ton cargo facility and phase 1 of the trade zone, which would include a fresh market; 35ha for a warehousing, assembly and manufacturing facility; and a perishables centre linked to an agrizone for growing, packing and labelling. Two support zones consisting of property and associated developments will also be opened for investment.

Ahmed Bassa, the executive responsible for aeronautical development, said a series of flight paths had been electronically simulated and were being refined to ensure minimal impact on communities, particularly on the northern and southern approaches to the airport.

"Flights taking off towards Johannesburg will predominantly pass over the Tongaat River valley, but we are trying to realign flights leaving for Cape Town to ensure minimum impact," he said.

The community of Mount Moreland, with about 70 homes, lies directly on the flight path at the end of the runway.

Rohan Persad, the Dube Tradeport's chief executive, said management was looking at vigorous consultation over the next few months to find a solution for the community.

"Of the 70 houses, about 30 are occupied, but the community is well established. Mount Moreland was initially a trading post established in 1860," he said.

cigar · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject:

Good to hear tangible progress is being made! Can't wait to see some preliminary desgins!!

Chris

British -- no broken legs ?

The "trinity" I like best is female and exists in the celluloid world of wild imagination. But yes I understand the difference between a "hall" and a "college" -- a knave and a jester.

Now I wonder why Rhodes decided to go to Oriel ( not Kitcheners Starling though ) at Oxford , instead of Cambridge. I wonder which one Blunt , Philby , Burgess and Maclean went to.?

As mentioned elsewhere , I attended the BARSA conference at Zimbali. Spoke to just about all the different airline management for SA. To the last man / woman they did NOT see themselves coming to KSIA. In fact the word was about Elephants and KMIA.

Minister Mhkize got the jump on me and held a CLOSED press conference in the morning -- minutes to follow. Saw the Dube guys skulking around. A most fascinating couple of days. The "brain" was in country at his wilderness hide away.

You are gong to have to be a bit clearer. As mentioned elswhere again the only players seem to be TATA and JET. One publicly states that it is proud to be above reproach -- the other seems not to care. If I am reading the BIO correctly.

According to the official noise report study commissioned by AFRICON only ONE International flight is assumed for calculation -- to AUSTRALIA. ? -- a 747-400 AND only once a week. VERY strange that.

Brazil -- SA -- India ( The group of Three )

NOTHING about this.......

SO do we actually have a downgraded regional airport -- with some freight -- some dirty industry and a BIG squatter camp. ?

I REALLY think that you had better throw in your hand now.

EITHER it is lots of the International flights you are talking about
WITH ER -- full fuel load --full cargo --full pax -- LOTS of single event noise profiles.

OR -- As per the current study NO or few International flights -- Regional with 60% MAUW -- low noise profile. This IS the case being put forward. SO with tears in my eyes I ask -- WHY the need for a long runway at sea level.? WHY the need to move DIA -- AT ALL.?

WHICH one is it to be. ? This is very much a case of NOT being able to have your cake and eat it. !

Of course some "sharp" players are busy buying up the surrounding land hoping to make a killing on the low end of the market -- they expect property prices to drop by 50% -- NOT just in Mount Moreland.

As for the listed consortiums -- I suggest you take a bit of time to study them carefully -- I suggest reading the " Business Report "
to see how pleased Stocks and Stocks are with their client for a certain hotel ALSO at Zimbali -- and I am NOT talking about IFA

I would also have a GOOD look at ILEMBE

A better bunch of Black Elite Enrichment buccaneers would be hard to find.

I am constantly amazed at your lack of any due dilligence.

Another day -- another smile -- another good nights sleep.

British · Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:38 am Post subject:

Chris,

Rhodes went to an excellent college at Oxford. But with Universities in the UK older than some COUNTRIES it would be of no surprise that some people who attended them commited some infamouse crimes and missdeads. But I am sure this goes for some South African schools and universities.

You keep asking me for information to "show my hand" as you put it. I initially posted on this site and explained that I would not do that as some people have a sense of propriotory.

All I will say is when the airport is built I shall come out and visit you and you can discuss the failure of it and it's builders and management failures to me at length

Another good day in the office.

Chris · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: Dube -- N2 Similarities

You should visit soon..

Have a look at a similar project for KZN that stranded on the rocks

http://www.sundaytimes.co.za/articles/article.aspx?ID=ST6A174800

•The motive for the project was financial gain rather than the provision of developmental infrastructure for surrounding communities;

BTW There is a ****** request for aerial survey of Cato Ridge -- just saw the ATC clearance....

As for "show my hand " you misunderstand the context. There is a difference between "throw in my hand " and "show my hand "

This was not intended for you in any case -- although I am interested to know why you persist in going against the main stream -- as far as International Airlines are concerned. ?

I would say that "sense of propriety " is already a discounted
commodity with this project. For a Trinity Hall alumni you sure need a spell checker. !

dysan1 · Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject:

dude cut the hostility!

I believe that comments oly need being made here once we announce more and more info...its going ahead boy... (no matter how old u are)...

Chris · Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Dube -- Merebank

Still hammering home the brainwashing mantra.

Why not come to the additional Merebank meeting on the 05th May -- Oh wait I forgot -- are you registered with the EIA.?

I suppose you feel you do not need to. We could always discuss the Geo-Physical survey. ?

Africaspotter · Admin - Has created Africa Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 801

Okay, lets stop this whole thing! The topic is closed from now on. I can see no real sense in this discussion as we are not getting anywhere here.

I do believe in committed discussions, but we are now at a point where everyone had a say and where I can not see any progress.

Cheers,

Felix
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Africaspotter · Admin - Has created Africa Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 801

Hi there,

does someone know what the current status of the project is?

Cheers,

Felix

PS: Topic unlocked again Wink

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cigar · Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject:

AFAIK the project is out to tender but dysan1 is better qualified than me on this front....

dysan1 · Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject:

They have chosen two finalists for construction. The winning bid will be announced in august i believe. The tender for design of the terminals are also out.

As Greg pointed out in the SSC forums, the orginal capacity was to be 4m pa with a terminal of 30 000m2, this has grown to 7m pa with a terminal of 75 000m2.

dysan1 · Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject:

Durban on the ball with 2010 projects

29 May 2006

Inet Bridge -

The city is gearing up for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, with plans under way to build a new stadium and airport

By Edward West
The city is gearing up for the Fifa 2010 Soccer World Cup, with plans under way to build a new stadium and airport, according to the eThekwini municipality.

The municipality said on Friday the Kings Park soccer stadium would be demolished so work could start on a new R1,6bn stadium in November.

The head of the municipality's strategic projects unit, Julie-May Ellingson, said the new stadium would be funded primarily by central government and would seat about 70,000 spectators.

Plans to construct the Dube Tradeport and King Shaka International Airport - to be situated at La Mercy, 30km north of Durban - were proceeding well.

Dube Tradeport CE Rohan Persad said the R1,8bn development was on schedule to start operating in February 2010, ahead of the World Cup.

The tradeport and international airport would include an export-trade zone, perishables facility, cyberport and other commercial and retail opportunities.

Persad said the 32-month construction phase was expected to be completed in October 2009 and proposals were being sought from short-listed contractors.

An environmental impact assessment was under way, as were negotiations with the Airports Company SA (Acsa) about decommissioning the existing Durban airport and the equity role that Acsa would play at Dube Tradeport, Persad said.

dysan1 · Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject:

Read today that they have begun the design of the terminal buildings...and guess what...ACSA are not playing a part in determining the design...so it will be fresh and unlike existing ACSA style airports!

cigar · Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:21 am Post subject:

Good to hear the design phase has started, can't wait to see some renders! Any idea of when anything 'concrete' (ha ha ha) will be made public?

dysan1 · Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject:

no idea...all i know is that work on the N2 interchange is starting

cigar · Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject:

Finally something concrete from Govt. Looks like the project is finally going to materialise - great news for Durban and KZN!!!

DUBE TRADEPORT AND THE AIRPORT AT LA MERCY ON RUNWAY READY TO TAKE OFF
I am pleased to announce the final rationalized structure for the management and ownership of the integrated Dube Tradeport and the airport at La Mercy.
The various engagements with all parties have come a long and rocky road, but we have finalized a structure that represents both certainty, cost rationalization, ease of management and implementation as well as correctly apportioning risk and responsibility. I am also pleased to announce that the airport at La Mercy will be operational, and the Durban International Airport de-commissioned in the first quarter of 2010.
The existing processes that have been performed by either ACSA and or the Dube Trade Port company will be continued to the agreed time-schedules and within the parameters that have been established to date.
ACSA shall exclusively build, operate and own the airport and the passenger terminals in terms of the procurement that is currently in process by Dube Tradeport company, and to the existing timelines agreed in that process. The key date in that process being that all construction shall be completed by December 2009. The airport will then be commissioned by the first quarter of 2010, well in time for the 2010 World Cup.
The Dube Tradeport company shall exclusively own manage and develop the tradeport, the agrizones and the cyberport, including the cargo handling terminals in the airport. The land will be transferred to the Dube Tradeport company for development for its own account. These facilities will be integrated into the existing integrated logistics system planning processes occurring at national, provincial and local level.
All developments that do not strictly fall within the narrow definition of airport business or tradeport business and all land associated therewith, shall be owned and developed within a 50/50
joint venture between ACSA and the Dube Tradeport company. Wherever possible, private sector involvement will be sought, with a particular emphasis on BEE involvement.
Masterplanning for the entire precinct and the re-development of the existing DIA site shall be done jointly by the parties, the KZN Province and Ethekwini Municipality under the leadership of the Department of Transport.
This entire project must be integrated at all levels and to ensure that, I have implemented a management structure that ensures that the development will go according to the timelines and decision-making and oversight will be effective.
The decision-making structure will be the Political Committee, that I shall chair, which will include representation from the KZN Province, Ethekwini Municipality and the ACSA Board. A Steering Committee that will be responsible for the operational management, technical issues and project management of the entire development as well as ensuring its delivery, will be chaired by the Director General of Transport and shall include senior officials and executive management from ACSA, the KZN Province, Ethekwini Municipality and the Dube Tradeport company.
It is with great optimism and enthusiasm that I look forward to the successful delivery of the Dube Tradeport and the international airport. The benefits of this integrated logistics platform, the commercial developments therein and the passenger facilities, represents a new road that will bring prosperity to the area and benefit to the country.

Issued by
Ministry of Transport
Ends

dysan1 · Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject:

very good news! and about time too!

dysan1 · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject:

looks like things should start to move a bit now with court challenge out the way! want designs to be released

British · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Did it happen

Sorry guys, but I have not visited this forum for a while. But the ig question is did everything happen as I said it would?? I remember Chris was vocal about this not happening with the EIA comming down on the wrong side. I think we demonstrated that there would be negative aspects to the site but the bigger picture was more important. I spoke to a friend of mne at Emirates who was telling me that they are starting up to Durban from December this year. We are enviouse as they can fly direct to Dubai from the current airport non-stop. How is progress on the new airport?